The 1+? state and ψ spectroscopy

We suggest that ψ′ → ψ H^πO (where the ψH is the 1^+? state) may be an important decay mode of the ψ′(3685) and ψ″′ → ψ_H^η of the ψ″′ (4414). We also discuss ways to test the magnitude of the η?π^O transition in the ψ system.