207Pb(p,p') measurements at 135 and 61 MeV,the effective interaction and core polarization

Data at Einp = 61 and 135 MeV for neutron-hole transitions are used to study the proton-neutron part of the assumed NN force. Collective core-polarization strengths (A_L) from the present fits at 135 MeV are consistent with those extracted from the (e, e') reaction for two L = 2 transitions and one L = 4 transition. This is not the case at 61 MeV where the A_L values needed to fit the (p, p') data are much smaller for transitions to the $\text{f}{}_{\mathrm{<mtext>5</mtext><mtext>2</mtext>}}\text{and}\text{f}{}_{\mathrm{<mtext>7</mtext><mtext>2</mtext>}}$ hole states. A fully microscopic DWBA fit is successful for the L = 3 transition to the doublet at 2.64 MeV of excitation at E_p = 61 MeV, but fails at 135 MeV; a fully microscopic DWIA calculation provides a reasonable fit to the data at 135 MeV.